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Which is the best for everyday flying?

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Petrol or Electric
« on: January 13, 2008, 09:08:44 am »
Which is the best for everyday flying?
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Re: Petrol or Electric
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 05:25:28 am »
IMHO it would all depend on the application. The size, style of flying and enviroment would play a big part in deciding which would actually be the better choice of powerplant. I'm a die hard glow/gas lover and truthfully on alot of applications glow/gas still has particular advantages over electric. Even though I own more electric powered models than glow/gas models alot of my models I wouldn't even consider electric powerplants for, even if money was no object.

Oh and Hi Steve! Been a while I guess? Hope things are well and all, glad to see you're still going with the hobby!

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Re: Petrol or Electric
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 05:36:34 pm »
Hey Rudolf

Good to see you here.  I have always flown Gas except for my smaller machines but since I have built and flown the Trex600, I will not go back.  It's a huge mission with the batteries but besides this, it's a totally different experience and I will never go back
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Re: Petrol or Electric
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 05:13:05 am »
Ah yes, the T-rex 600 is a very nice electric heli for sure. Please ensure you keep doing very regular maintanance on that one (Which I'm sure you do..) and if you haven't already get the entire rotorhead upgraded to metal, the mixing arms and things going onto the washout especially.

My team mate's been flying a 600 for longer than I can remember now and have had good luck with it so far except for the few small incidents where one was the ever popular failure of the plastic parts. I think they've been fortunate however to not lose a battery in one of the crashes. The big electrics are nice, performance is pretty great if you go the route they've gone and blinged it with a big Hacker motor and good Thunderpower batteries but I'll pass on an electric this size and flying style (3D) simply because of the "what if the battery get's damaged in a crash" factor. It's just too expensive to take care of crash costs along with battery replacement costs. On top of that at this size battery damage is much more likely because of the inertia from the size of model.

I think my good friend Ade Law from the UK has a good take on these things when he says the helis more in the Hirobo Lepton size should be the ticket for guys like me and him that wanna go out put it all on the line and still be able to do it without the "what if" factor clogging up the brain. Compass models that produce the ever popular Knight .50 is bringing out a new machine in this size which looks absolutely incredible. Of course I'm a bit partial to JR machines for many reasons so I'm actually considering the new Voyager E they've got going now...that size electric seems more feesable for something that might bite it regularly.

For guys that don't crash often and prefer a more sporty style of flying (Loops, rools, normal aeros and the occasional flip) I do however feel a bigger size electric is all good. Especially if you maybe go to A123's in this scenario. We've tested the A123's on my mate's T-rex and they work a charm for mild 3D and sport flying, that changes everything when it comes to the whole flying a big electric thing.

Now coming more to my previous post's comments. I will however any day convert my Sylphide .90's to electric if the spare cash starts lying around, the entire JR F3C team has converted their Sylphides over now and for F3C I think that's the way to go also. No more fiddling with getting the most power out of the machines, plug in and fly only worrying about getting the scores up there. Of course on helis this style it's more feesable for me because we never take unnecissary(sp?) risks with them...whole different ballgame but yeah our estimated cost for conversion of the machines is running in excess of R15k for each heli so it might be a while before we actually do it.  :-\

In the planes however...I wouldn't even consider electric for one of my .40~1.20 sized 3D profiles, they just see too much action (yes crash wise also) so the good ol OS/Saito is IMHO the ticket. On smaller planes like the foamies and things nothing other than electric of course, the inertia is low enough and through the 50+ crashes I've had with 3D foamies I've never lost a battery. On something like my 5 meter scale Nimbus glider of course I'm going to try going electric, pricey powerplant but it's in a lower risk enviroment so it's feesable for me. Bigger aerobatic planes I'm going for gas, nothing tops the sound, maybe a smoker and the smell...on this size gas motor's reliability and ease of use is excellent also so no need for electric to get around cleaning and fiddling.

So yea as you can see, for me it all depends on the application. I'm sure as prices on the electris stuff changes and the technology gets even better all the above would also with time change. But if things are going to get any cheaper than it currently is, I doubt.
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Re: Petrol or Electric
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 03:38:53 pm »
Wow, giving me some stuff to think about but all true.  I am even worried about walking around with the batteries in case somebody bumps me and they fall.

I will look into upgrades but I am a little away from the 3D stuff but moving into it.  Need more stick time on the sim but I think I will have to wait for my kids to move out of home.

I have always enjoyed Gas but happier not having to whipe the heli down from top to toe everytime really makes me happy, I also think the boot of my car will also be happy without the mess
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Re: Petrol or Electric
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2008, 10:36:58 am »
Yeh know what you mean about dropping the batteries. I've dropped a few in my lifetime and it sure gets the blood pumping in a hurry.  ;D Worse I think is crashing a bigger model with a big lipo in it, it's always a race to ensure the whole thing doesn't go up in flames. I've learned the hard way though to make sure that in the event of a crash the battery won't rocket forward into something hard or pointy at all. This is usually the case in motor gliders and things so a healthy piece of foam in front of the battery becomes compulsary.

The upgrades on the T-rex is really not only recommended for hard flying styles. Align's plastic is, long and short of it, of very poor quality so this stuff cracks and gives way for no reason. On the small 450 it was never a real problem but on the big helis it just won't do. Most failures however I've heard of in real life is on the plastic arms and things on the rotorhead, ball links breaking out and such. Replace those things or like I said keep a very keen eye on them.
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Re: Petrol or Electric
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2008, 04:38:27 pm »
I have already spoken to the guys from the hobby shop and I think your recommendation is a vaild and strong one.  Thanks for the heads up and hopefully I never have to run to my heli with a fire hose.

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